Garmin 430W and notes from 4/08/09 meeting

[toddmbs@yahoo.com]

I say we should definitely consider a Garmin or KSN.  We know we will want something eventually anyway.  They are nice to have; and why pay for anything else now if we might upgrade it later.  Price is the issue.

Bob, you should try to get Tim to give us a figure on what the complete cost of the plane will be to get it overhauled, upgraded and outfitted inside and out.  If Eagle East (or Tim and Sean) are going to members of the club, then they already know every screw on 976, what needs to be done and how much it will cost.  And he should he willing to do it at a reasonable cost because it's in his benefit to do so.

I'm still unclear on the financing part for 976: how would 976 be paid for?  There is 1. the remainder of the balance on the note, and 2. the overhaul and upgrades.  If the bottom line cost of the plane is say $40k, that has to be financed, right or no?  And if so, does the current note get refinanced?  And does EE keep the note under it's name or is it transferred to the club?  In either case, Tim or EE would still have to keep their name on it as a guarantor - which really shouldn't be a problem for Tim because he has nothing to lose by doing so, the plane is already his right now anyway.

I agree that we should start with the high wings for now.  Then if all goes well, we can get a low wing soon, which I would like to do.

As far as training with the plane, I vote that no training from outside the club should take place.  As far as ourselves and training goes, that's a given.  We never stop training, so we have to allow ourselves to train.  We may have to limit ourselves to EE instructors, but that's fine with me.  We also use "saftey pilots" who's not an instructor for IRF training, so the club training will be a benefit.

Those are all my thought for now.
Todd


--- On Thu, 4/9/09, williammccann at comcast.net <williammccann at comcast.net> wrote:

From: williammccann at comcast.net <williammccann at comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Garmin 430W
To: "James Carlson" <carlsonj at workingcode.com>
Cc: eefc-core at workingcode.com
Date: Thursday, April 9, 2009,
 9:40 AM

#yiv803134652 #yiv2103169185 p {margin:0;}Good morning ,
 
The Garmin 430 looks a little more intimadating than it actually is . I've read the same reviews , but once you get familiar with the software, flight planning,setting waypoints and loading approaches,  it's easy.  Good point on the airways and the yearly data base.There wasn't too much feedback on the Garmin ,so I didn't mention the subsciption. If it came in a plane that we purchased outside of Eagle , it wouldn't be a bad thing. I'm sure everybody has there wish list , but if nothing else it's good for discussion.You can download the software if anybody's interested .Nice day to go flying!!!
 
Thanks
Bill Mc
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From: "James Carlson" <carlsonj at workingcode.com>
To: "Bob Irving" <rhirving at verizon.net>
Cc: eefc-core at workingcode.com
Sent: Thursday, April 9, 2009 8:13:22 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: Re: Garmin 430W

Bob Irving writes:
> We didn't spend much time talking about Bill's idea of a Garmin 430 so I
> thought we could discuss it here.
> 
> I think we should strongly consider adding this to whatever we buy. If we
> buy a plane with 1 bad radio, we 
> 
> Can replace it with the 430. at much greater cost than a radio, however.

Yes, agreed.

For what it's worth, I've read reviews of the 430W that suggest that
it's not terribly easy to use, due to the user interface and a lack of
some key features (such as Victor airway routing).  The 480 (around
$3000 more) has a better user interface and features, but
 reportedly
takes more time to learn to use.

For around the same price, there's the KSN 770, which seems to have
better specs.

If we're going to shop for these devices (rather than getting a plane
that already has something installed), we might need to look around a
little.

Also, don't forget the extra $500 or so yearly for the subscription.

-- 
James Carlson         42.703N 71.076W         <carlsonj at workingcode.com>
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