Saturday meeting with Tim

Sat Apr 11 19:15:56 EDT 2009

Bob, 

Why can't we offer Tim $ 33,000. for 976. Let them put in a new engine at their cost, and clean up the squawks noted by Jim. 

The engine is timed out and I don't  think Tim wants to add another $ 10 to $ 15 thousand to the $ 18,000 he already owes.If 15 members  

buy in at $1200 each we could clean up his $18,000. We could finance the balance with Tim , and if the club folds the plane goes back to Eagle. 

We should treat this as a business decision , let him take the risk so there isn't a problem with any individual being held responsible. 

$ 20,000 for the plane ,$ 13,000 for the engine , he's off the hook and we have a plane. They will profit from the annuals ,maintenance, fuel and any 

add ons that I'm sure we will want to include. It's a start !!!! 

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "James Carlson" <carlsonj at workingcode.com> 
To: "Eagle East Flying Club Core Team" <eefc-core at workingcode.com> 
Sent: Saturday, April 11, 2009 5:36:19 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
Subject: Re: Saturday meeting with Tim 

Bob Irving writes: 
> I met again today with Tim and Sean. First,  if we wished to purchase 
> something other than 976, Tim can NOT guarantee that purchase.  (That's just 
> a business decision on his part - he doesn't want to risk using any 
> remaining credit he might have with his bank because he might need it for 
> operating capital).  Since none among us would be willing to provide the 

Yep; I think that's what we all understood, and it makes sense that he 
wouldn't be interested in guaranteeing anyone else's plane. 

> personal guarantees necessary to finance the purchase of a used plane - 
> further consideration of the 40k/50k/60k options is an exercise in futility. 

That seems a shame. 

> 15k additional cost (probably a low estimate), EE is expecting that we would 
> pay the current note balance (18,000) plus the cost of the new engine 
> (15,000) as the "down payment". That's a total of $33,000 or more in down 
> payment . ($2,200 each for 15 members/$3,300 each for 10 members/$4,700 each 
> for 7 members).  He would be willing to take a note for the balance owed - 
> whatever that might be. They will have the hard number for us on Tuesday. 

Ouch.  Maybe there's some wiggle room in there.  I realize they want 
to get the $18,000 debt itself off the books in case they need to 
borrow, but if we were to just take over the payments for that note 
instead, then that'd help their immediate cash position. 

$3000 would be a lot to ask for a down payment, but I might be able to 
manage it if things ahead look brighter, and especially if we can 
figure out how to return that money over time. 

> I will hold off on any survey until we get these latest issues figured out. 
> Personally, I might go for $2,200 but more than that is a stretch under this 
> form of ownership. Comments ???? 

Maybe we need to talk with a bank.  Depending on the exact liability 
involved, I would probably be ok with signing for a loan.  (It seems 
that BoA requires insurance on the loan itself, but I'm not sure who 
is liable first, and that makes a big difference.) 

-- 
James Carlson         42.703N 71.076W         <carlsonj at workingcode.com> 
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