Time for a vote on 081?

[Steve Gordon]

I did about a third of my primary training in 081.  I have never had a
problem with the radios except that they are not digital - they are old
style mechanical dials with no flip-flop.  Don't know about the IFR
standing, but I'd would expect a fresh IFR certification from Eagle.  VORs
work fine.  I've never shot an approach in that aircraft.  I would not want
to do anything with the paint if it's just faded and ugly (not worth putting
lipstick on that pig IMO).   If the paint is cracked or chipping, then we'd
be foolish not to paint.  Good question about the 10 year time limit - don't
know.  It could be past TBO already.  Don't know about the prop.  Mags are
replaced relatively frequently, are they not?  I thought I read somewhere
that mags and vacuum pumps should be changed every 100 hours, but that
sounds excessive.  Don't know about the logs.  The interior was in better
shape than 976 the last time I flew it (which was before 976 got a new seat
covers).  I'd give it a 6-7 considering it's a 35 year old plane.

 

Any of the concerns you raise could tip the scales towards increasing our
costs which already seem to be at or even beyond our personal limits for
this aircraft.  My decision making was predicated on the terms set forth by
Sean and Tim: $38K with 15% down financed for 5 years at 8.5%.  At those
terms I'd need to see at least 15 members to share the costs and make it
worthwhile for me.  We can always offer less for 081, but if we do we should
probably be reasonably sure we want to more forward if Eagle accepts the
offer.

 

What does all of this add up to?  Some of us are right on the border of
their price tolerance for 081 and some of us are already past their
tolerance.  Costs are more likely to go up than go down before the end of
the deal which will probably push some of us over our tolerance.  In my
estimation it doesn't look like 081 is going to be feasible.

 

-Steve

 

From: eefc-core-bounces at workingcode.com
[mailto:eefc-core-bounces at workingcode.com] On Behalf Of Bob Irving
Sent: Thursday, April 16, 2009 9:58 PM
To: 'Eagle East Flying Club Core Team'
Subject: RE: Time for a vote on 081?

 

Maybe. But I'm not very comfortable with our numbers on 081. Does anyone
know anything about the radios? Is the aircraft up to IFR standards.
VOR/ILS/LOC all work? What are we going to do about the paint?  If the
engine time is 1600 hrs, how many years has it been since a major overhaul?
(10 years is a time limit as well as 2000 hours.)  Was it a field overhaul
or a factory remanufactured engine 1600 hrs ago? How much time on the prop?
When is the prod due for overhaul ?  Is the prop serviceable or has it been
refinished too many times?  How much time on the mags?  When do they need
overhaul again? Are all the logs available?  What condition is the interior
in?  Are we willing to pay $38,000? Are we willing to put 15% down?  Are we
willing to finance for only 60 months?  Are we willing to pay 8.5% interest
to Eagle East?  

 

 

From: eefc-core-bounces at workingcode.com
[mailto:eefc-core-bounces at workingcode.com] On Behalf Of Steve Gordon
Sent: Thursday, April 16, 2009 9:37 PM
To: 'Eagle East Flying Club Core Team'
Subject: RE: Time for a vote on 081?

 

So we're not faring much better than the 976 option.  In order for 081 to
work for me we'd need to recruit at least 15 members, and that doesn't look
likely.  With at least 4 of the core members out, we're also looking at
possibly too few people to run the club.  Do you think it's worth reaching
out to the bigger group to see if there's enough interest there?

 

From: eefc-core-bounces at workingcode.com
[mailto:eefc-core-bounces at workingcode.com] On Behalf Of Bob Irving
Sent: Thursday, April 16, 2009 9:20 PM
To: 'Eagle East Flying Club Core Team'
Subject: RE: Time for a vote on 081?

 

So far 4 no and 2 yes.

 

From: eefc-core-bounces at workingcode.com
[mailto:eefc-core-bounces at workingcode.com] On Behalf Of Steve Gordon
Sent: Thursday, April 16, 2009 7:14 PM
To: 'Eagle East Flying Club Core Team'
Subject: Time for a vote on 081?

 

So far I've seen one yes (me) and one no (Bob McAloon).  Are we waiting on
any more information, or is it time to call in the votes on 081?  I for one
would like to know soon one way or the other whether this is going to be
feasible.

 

-Steve 

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